If civilians objected, they faced torture and execution. Inevitably, the Whites became hated and feared. Corruption was widespread in White-controlled areas. White soldiers looted shops and houses, and were often drunk. A black market was created for goods originally intended to help fight the war. The Bolsheviks were fighting for a very definite cause - the establishment and survival of a communist Russia.
The Whites, however, had problems motivating their troops and building up support. Why should soldiers face death simply to make Kolchak or Yudenich master of Russia?
CivFanatics Forums. Normal Person , Nov 1, Joined: Nov 29, Messages: 21, Biggest question is what do you mean by "won the civil war"? As in, kick out the Communists and retake all of Russia, or set up a rump state in the Far East? Both short and long term, I can't begin to imagine the changes. So much interwar history is reliant on the presence of the Soviet Union it would be like asking how the history of Rome would have changed if Caesar had been killed when captured by pirates.
Without a Soviet Union, there is no sense of impending "world revolution" that drove so much of interwar politics. However, that doesn't mean socialist and communist parties are weaker. For the Whites to have survived it would have required even larger foreign interventions; it would also have allowed national communist and left wing parties to chart a national program without a need to stay on-side to the Soviets.
Ajidica , Nov 1, Joined: Sep 14, Messages: 32, Location: Scotland. The White Army was a very loose coalition of often radically opposed groups, held together mostly by their shared hostility to the Bolshevik government. Tsarists, liberals, ethnic nationalists, Cossack traditionalists, deranged messianic warlords. If the Bolsheviks are gone, these factions turn on each other and the conflict just rolls on, fighting each other.
The tensions which toppled the old regime had erupted into open conflict before Lenin left Switzerland, and wouldn't simply dissipate if he left Moscow.
It would probably turn out like Mexico, dragging on for a decade or more, and the factions and personalities who end the conflict are totally different from those who started it. I think that you probably end up with some conservative nationalist regime, but what that regime looks like or calls itself, and what it's borders turn out to be, is anyone's guess, and would probably have been as much a surprise to the participants as it would be for us. But there is a better chance that the Nazis wouldn't rise to power at all.
One of the reasons for that is because the White Movement in our reality were also Anti-Semitic though not to the extent of the Nazis in our reality , so there would be no reason for Hitler to rise.
So, would this mean no World War 2. But in this alternate reality without a war in Europe the USA can focus all of their attention on the Pacific Theater.
However one thing would probably be different, the Atomic Bomb wouldn't be used. This is thanks in large part of the Nazis in late when they discovered on how to split the Atom's Nucleus. In this alternate reality without Nazi Germany coming to power this scientific discovery is not found until later.
So, what happens? The USA and Japan agree to a cease fire since the Japanese are well entrenched throughout the Pacific, and no real ally to help them in a potential invasion of Japan. It is also likely that the relations between the USA and Japan would be sour though not like the relations between the USA and the USSR in our reality as the USA would be a growing power like it is in our reality whereas Japan would still be under a single ruling autocratic government still stuck in the past.
China would be altered in this reality as well. Without communism taking over Russia, communism would probably fail in the Chinese Civil War too. But that wouldn't mean everything would be honky-dory, the Chinese Nationalists would still have to deal with the Japanese Empire as they would still hold some regions in China namely Manchuria though they may get some help from the USA, but this would also break the agreement they made with the Japanese, throwing the USA and Japan into another conflict, especially if it's right after the Pacific War as both sides are weary of war, though Japan would have the most difficult time as it is the most depleted of manpower and resources.
The biggest possitive effects of this alternate reality is that there would be no Cold War, no military arms race, and no possibility for a Nuclear War, this may also change the propaganda system in western nations about Russia. But this is just one possibility, another is that because Russia would be under a military dictatorship, and if the Russia citizens fail to overthrow this new government that this would concern the west who would then declare war against the new Russian Government.
This would make this alternate reality almost the same as it is in our reality: A world war and maybe even a military arms race without Nukes of course. As the White Army approached Petrograd, he viewed it as essential to save the city saying they must save the home of the revolution even after Lenin ordered their retreat. But through his brilliant oratory skills he rallied his men in Petrograd to fight the Whites in a battle in which the Reds won. Despite Trotsky appealing to many of his men through his speaking abilities and his highly held belief in maintaining morale, desertions rose to over 4 million by and there was a full-scale mutiny by tsarists officers leading many to think that this brilliance by Trotsky was simply a myth, perhaps perpetrated by Trotskyists after the war.
From refusing to fight with one another to the sheer disunity between them, the White Army soon after its creation became one of the most dysfunctional armies in modern history. Foreign intervention became one of many examples of how the war could have been won as even with limited support the Whites had the numbers, the experience and the backing to win, but through mismanagement lost themselves the war.
Trotsky did show how the Reds could fight and win the war, but one man, no matter how brilliant, could have won against the Whites had they demonstrated their true capabilities. This article illustrates how it was the Whites who lost the war and not that the Reds won it, through what amounts to be sheer incompetence.
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